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Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:00 pm
by hoa_nugin
Hi everyone.
I just recently puchased a 1970 1600 roadster. It has original parts and needs a lot of elbow grease. There seems to be a lot of great information on here, a little overwhelming at times. I'll try to search first before asking questions.

The restoration process seems like its going to take forever. But I'll just have to take it one step at a time. First step- wash the car and try to buff the existing paint to see if I can get any shine to it. I am sure I will have plenty of questions when the time comes. Hopefully I can meet with some locals and ask them some quesitons.

One thing of interest that I cant find much information on are KA24 engine swaps. I am trying to get my hands on wiring diagrams and motor mounts. From what I understand, most swappers fab their own mounts, but what do they use? Do they start off from scratch or do they modify existing mounts found on other cars? I'll do some more digging on the forums but I would appreciate it if someone would point me in the right direction. Thanks!

One more thing. I have white interior(seats and door panels) is that stock? Or did a previous owner do some work on it? Thanks again!
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-Hoa

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:40 pm
by fj20spl311
Hoa,
Read over as many of the conversions (SR20, KA24, Zetec ...) as you can and I know you get a good idea of what is involved...Making the mounts for the engine and frame are some of the easiest parts of the conversion.....Making the pretty is another matter LOL. For wiring on the ECU try the 510 forums....there are people on those forums offering conversions of the stock ECU wiring loom to fit a 510 (not a problem to convert to a roadster IIRC. If you want to see my FJ20 conversions or need some supervision LOL email me as I am in San Diego. I must warn you that I am not big on keeping this "stock"
Phil

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:39 pm
by Kevin Desirello
I would suggest doing a sr20de or sr20det.
I'm I the riverside area and could do one for you.
Check out the posts regaurding (Is a rodster with a sr20det very streetable) and you can see my work on the silver car I did for Victor.
I'm sure more will chime in on the sr20 swaps.
Kevin D.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:13 pm
by LI Roadster
hi and welcome.

nice pick up... I vote for stock since I am partial to that sort of thing

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:33 pm
by ppeters914
fj20spl311 wrote: For wiring on the ECU try the 510 forums....there are people on those forums offering conversions of the stock ECU wiring loom to fit a 510 (not a problem to convert to a roadster IIRC.l
The two major places for 510 swappers are the510Realm.com and Ratsun.net. Ratsun has a How to Wire a KA/SR/CA into Anything how-to:

http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=549

There's pluses and minuses with every swap, and many folks with their own opinion on what's "best." Read, listen, digest, then pull the trigger. We're here to help.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:04 am
by fj20spl311
ppeters914 wrote:
fj20spl311 wrote: For wiring on the ECU try the 510 forums....there are people on those forums offering conversions of the stock ECU wiring loom to fit a 510 (not a problem to convert to a roadster IIRC.l
The two major places for 510 swappers are the510Realm.com and Ratsun.net. Ratsun has a How to Wire a KA/SR/CA into Anything how-to:

http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=549

There's pluses and minuses with every swap, and many folks with their own opinion on what's "best." Read, listen, digest, then pull the trigger. We're here to help.

YEA What he said......Also Dimequarterly.com Lots of helpful people hear the on the other forums.

I was not going to chime in on which conversion. "Read, listen, digest, then pull the trigger."

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:07 am
by Alvin
The most thorough step-by-step KA24 install with tons of pictures:
http://community.webshots.com/user/riazabzal02" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Continued here:
http://community.webshots.com/user/riazabzal03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KA24E:
http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2196" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another one:
http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2658" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just visit the "engine swap" part of the forum for more info, good luck

ps you'll note that stock roadster mounting tabs remain in place. Fabricated engine mounts using 510 isolator pads are pretty much the standard.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:20 am
by truedog
hoa_nugin wrote:....... First step- wash the car and try to buff the existing paint to see if I can get any shine to it.....

Try Nu-Finish. It comes in a orange bottle and is available everywhere. It is polishing compound and wax in one. It will bring up a nice shine on badly oxidized paint.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:57 am
by hoa_nugin
Thanks everyone for your responses. I was leaning more towards the SR20DE motor, but I was having a really hard time locating one. I would much rather do a SR swap because I've heard its a more refined eninge and is more reliable. Theres also a ton of information on the swap that I find online(mostly posted by Michael from Spriso) plus already made motor mounts and alternator mounts made by spriso . If I can get my hands on an SR motor, I would probably go that route. Of course this will not be until later down the road. The project is just in its early planning stages.
Alvin wrote:The most thorough step-by-step KA24 install with tons of pictures:
http://community.webshots.com/user/riazabzal02" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Continued here:
http://community.webshots.com/user/riazabzal03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KA24E:
http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2196" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another one:
http://www.311s.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2658" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just visit the "engine swap" part of the forum for more info, good luck

ps you'll note that stock roadster mounting tabs remain in place. Fabricated engine mounts using 510 isolator pads are pretty much the standard.
Alvin, I saw those links before when i was searching, but they dont work for me. I click on them and it tells me that the board is currently unavailable.



Kevin Desirello wrote:I would suggest doing a sr20de or sr20det.
I'm I the riverside area and could do one for you.
Check out the posts regaurding (Is a rodster with a sr20det very streetable) and you can see my work on the silver car I did for Victor.
I'm sure more will chime in on the sr20 swaps.
Kevin D.
Kevin, could you ballpark me an estimate of how much a job like that would cost? I have a good friend that might be able to do some work for me. But I would rather someone experienced with Datsuns to be doing this type of job.

Does anyone know if the white interior I have is stock?
Here is a pic of the interior
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Thank you all again for your responses. I really appreciate em. Hopefully I can get this bad boy back on the road soon.

-Hoa

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:36 pm
by shifty
White interior is not stock. Welcome!

I'll offer up the advice we usually give to new owners - get it running first and drive it. Many of these cars are torn down just after purchase and never see the road again.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:03 pm
by hoa_nugin
shifty wrote:White interior is not stock. Welcome!

I'll offer up the advice we usually give to new owners - get it running first and drive it. Many of these cars are torn down just after purchase and never see the road again.
Cool thanks. Thats what I plan on doing for the time being. The car runs. It made it 70 miles home. Its leaking oil pretty bad, but still driveable. I just need to top it off every once in a while. Like I said, the project is in its early stages of planning. Right now it just needs some TLC. Thanks!

-Hoa

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:08 pm
by kogi
shifty wrote: I'll offer up the advice we usually give to new owners - get it running first and drive it. Many of these cars are torn down just after purchase and never see the road again.
best advice ever shifty... "drive it" and enjoy the ride while the weather is nice... and if you have the room... gather much of the stuff you need before breaking it down...

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:15 pm
by kogi
hoa_nugin wrote: Its leaking oil pretty bad, but still driveable. I just need to top it off every once in a while. Like I said, the project is in its early stages of planning. Right now it just needs some TLC. Thanks!

-Hoa
yea... i think... the oil leak and the rust is part of the datsun's dna :shock:

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:06 pm
by ppeters914
hoa_nugin wrote: I was leaning more towards the SR20DE motor ... because I've heard its a more refined engine and is more reliable.
Define reliable. Plenty of folks with reliable stock motors as well as L-series, rotaries, KA's, CA's, VG's, Ford Zetec, Ford V8, etc. Oh yeah....Phil's FJ.
hoa_nugin wrote:Alvin, I saw those links before when i was searching, but they dont work for me. I click on them and it tells me that the board is currently unavailable.
That's because those links all point to the old 2.0 version of the forum. They work if you edit the links from phpBB2 to phpBB3.

Re: Hi all! New Owner!

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:03 pm
by hoa_nugin
ppeters914 wrote: That's because those links all point to the old 2.0 version of the forum. They work if you edit the links from phpBB2 to phpBB3.
Cool thanks! Links work fine now.