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5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:29 pm
by Greaser2
I don’t think this should be like this. Anyone have a pic of correct.
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Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:54 pm
by david premo
You are correct, it should not look like that. Not sure what I’m seeing there, but something is there that is causing the flat washer to deform. I think it would be a good idea for you to pull the bolt out check the bearing for damage and if it’s good replace the flat washer. Try to find a hardened flat washer.
Dave

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:01 pm
by 23yrRebuild
Here is one...

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:12 pm
by theunz
It looks like the inner bearing race is broken. You will need a new bearing for sure. Hopefully the shaft is ok.

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:43 pm
by david premo
I don’t think it is the inner race, it is above the surface of the bearing. It’s something else.
Dave

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:15 pm
by jrusso07
Wow, Never seen that before, like something jammed under the flat washer and then bolt tightened. Maybe thread damage on bolt of shaft prevented tightening? Also. lot of peen marks on the outer surface on the bearing on high magnification. Also something I have never seen

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:06 pm
by theunz
Still think it’s the inner race. It looks like it has split in half and is now twisting itself out of round. You can see the balls are riding against it. Just my opinion based on what I’m seeing, but I bet as soon as he removes the bolt and washer it will be evident.

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:05 pm
by Greaser2
The inner race looks fine. Any chance someone was concerned about the bolt working off and then the bearing and gear coming off. Looks like a semi washer was put under the flat washer and the flat washer was bent over locking it?? But then there is a split washer on top that??

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:17 pm
by Greaser2
Looks like the bolt was too long and some lazy f just put a broken ring under it.
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Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:22 pm
by david premo
Looks like the wrong hardness of flat washer, in metric bolts you want a fender washer lock washer and bolt in the 10.9 hardness. Also check the depth of the threads on the counter shaft, I think the length of the bolt is fine.
Dave

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:31 pm
by DAC21
Greaser2 wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:17 pm Looks like the bolt was too long and some lazy f just put a broken ring under it. C3355F03-48E5-43DE-86AF-62CD98840D46.jpeg
Wondering if the other half of the ring washer is somewhere else in the engine?

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:17 pm
by david premo
You mean somewhere in the transmission? Unlike the engine there is a magnetic drain plug and most likely since the part is metal I doubt it would go up and engage with any parts.
Dave

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:30 pm
by Greaser2
There was multiple pieces of metal on the plug but the gears are otherwise in great condition.

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:59 pm
by DAC21
david premo wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:17 pm You mean somewhere in the transmission? Unlike the engine there is a magnetic drain plug and most likely since the part is metal I doubt it would go up and engage with any parts.
Dave
Oops, yes transmission.

Re: 5-speed question

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:39 pm
by theunz
Dang, foiled again by a small screen! I’m surprised that the ring used as a spacer stayed centered especially after it broke. You dodged a bullet, go buy a lottery ticket😀